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Is your downspout illegal? Whitefish Bay might take a look to prevent flooding

Door-to-door inspections will help Bay develop plan

Feb. 22, 2012 | 4 comments

Whitefish Bay - It's illegal to have downspouts connected to the sanitary sewer, but an estimated 15 percent of the houses in the village have that situation.

About 30 percent of residents indicated their downspouts went into the ground in a 2010 survey, Trustee Jim Roemer told the Village Board Monday night. Consultants estimate that half of those might be connected to the sanitary sewer, adding a large volume of clear water to the sanitary sewer during heavy rains and periods of run off and contributing to basement backups.

Village Engineer Dan Naze said putting an existing intern to work in a downspout inspection program would allow the community to determine how many illegal connections exist and then develop a program to disconnect them. When houses are sold, the downspouts are inspected during a code compliance inspection, but otherwise, nothing is done.

Various consultants have recommended disconnecting the downspouts as a way to reduce basement flooding, but Trustee Jay Miller said the village should proceed with caution as the disconnections actually might cause other flooding.

Currently, the storm sewer system is too small for much additional water, meaning the streets would likely be the repository for the water coming from the downspouts. In some areas, the streets have flooded over sidewalks and into yards, causing basement flooding during storms.

Miller wants to make sure that won't be a byproduct of disconnecting downspouts.

Naze's program would start with identifying potential disconnections.

"We will see below grade and possibly be able to see if there is a connection to the sanitary sewer," Naze said.

The information would be stored in the GIS system as part of the program.

Naze said it would take 10 to 12 weeks for the intern to get through the village and collect the information. It must be done while there is no snow on the ground and before the trees and shrubs leaf out.

Resident Robert Crawford said the village should have a plan to keep water from going up over sidewalks and onto lawns and possibly into houses if disconnections are made. He suggested using water pumps to pump excess water in the streets toward Wilson Drive and the river when necessary.

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  1. Smoke them out . . . Illegal connections, as well as bad plumbing become obvious real easy this way.

    And you don't need to enter anybodies property, or seek permission to do it.

    http://www.nngov.com/engineering/SSES/smoketest
  2. Instead of offering cash incentives to disconnect downspouts like other communities.
    The government comes down with Iron Fist to show the peasants whose boss.
  3. Speaking as a registered PE in WI who has 39 years of experience, look at another significant contributor to sanitary storm waterflow during wet periods-----and that is sump pumps from foundation drainage systems arranged for discharge into sanitary sewers. That issue needs to be addressed as well.
  4. I would like to make two points:

    1. re: an estimated 15 percent of the houses in the village have that situation.

    I would be amazed if it is that such a high percentage of downspouts are illegally connected. For many years now, the Village has required smoke testing for interconnections to the sanitary sewer system upon sale of a home. While it takes a long time for homes to turn-over in the Village, I don't believe the smoke tests suggest such a high percentage of illegal interconnections. Furthermore, if 15 percent of roof water was entering the sanitary sewers, I believe the sanitary sewer back-ups and basement flooding would be MUCH worse.

    2. Many Village homes have downspouts connected to a storm water lateral. While the downspouts go into the ground, they do not go into the sanitary sewer system. I hope the Village's engineering staff will be able to figure this out properly. Otherwise it is going to cause a lot of unnecessary problems.
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